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Fiscal Cliff Talks Appear to Be Stalled

John Boehner Fiscal Cliff TalksBy ANDREW TAYLOR

WASHINGTON -- Despite an intensifying pace, little progress is being reported in talks on averting automatic spending cuts and tax increases that economists fear could send the U.S. economy off a "fiscal cliff."

House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and President Barack Obama spoke on the phone Tuesday, a day after the president offered to reduce his initial demand for $1.6 trillion in higher tax revenue over a decade to $1.4 trillion. But Obama continued to insist that much of the revenue come from raising top tax rates on the wealthy.

Boehner countered later Tuesday with another offer that aides to the Ohio Republican said stuck close to a document delivered to the White House a week ago. A top White House aide, Rob Nabors, came to the Capitol to respond.

Leading lawmakers expressed pessimism that a deal was close, despite increasing angst about a Dec. 31 deadline to stop the expiration of Bush-era tax cuts and separate across-the-board spending cuts that are the result of Washington's failure to complete a deficit-reduction deal last year.

"I think it's getting worse, not better," House GOP Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said.

The Boehner camp again said it's up to the White House to proffer additional spending cuts to programs like Medicare. The White House countered that Republicans still need to cave on raising tax rates for the rich.

"Where are the president's spending cuts?" Boehner said on the House floor. "The longer the White House slow-walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff."

In rebuttal, the White House swiftly detailed numerous proposals Obama has made to cut spending, including recommendations to cull $340 billion from Medicare over a decade and an additional $250 billion from other government benefit programs.

Obama remains determined that tax rates rise on family income exceeding $250,000, a move Republicans say would strike many small businesses that are engines of new jobs and file as individuals when paying their taxes.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Wednesday that a bipartisan deal to avert a "fiscal cliff" is more likely if Democrats and Republicans don't try to over-reach on spending cuts.

The California Democrat, appearing on "CBS This Morning," said Congress and the White House need to agree on a provisional plan for taxes and spending. "Let's do something now," she said.

Pelosi says Democrats want to ensure that senior citizens aren't harmed, and she called Boehner a "well-intentioned" person. But she also said the GOP was pushing too hard on a Medicare overhaul, asking, "Is it just a trophy that the Republicans want to take home?"

"Get it done," she said, "and make corrections and expansions on it next year."

Two weeks before the year-end holidays, time to find agreement was short, but not prohibitively so.

"I think it's going to be extremely difficult to get it done before Christmas, but it could be done," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said.

Boehner's office took the step - unusual in secretive talks - of announcing that Republicans "sent the White House a counteroffer that would achieve tax and entitlement reform to solve our looming debt crisis and create more American jobs."

Democrats have watched with satisfaction in recent days as Republicans struggle with Obama's demands to raise taxes, but Reid privately has told his rank and file they could soon be feeling the same distress if discussions grow serious on cuts to benefit programs.

In an ABC interview, Obama did not reject a Republican call to raise the age of Medicare eligibility from 65 to 67, a proposal many Democrats strongly oppose.

The proposal is "something that's been floated," Obama said, not mentioning that he had tacitly agreed to it in deficit-reduction talks with Boehner more than a year ago that ended in failure.

"When you look at the evidence, it's not clear that it actually saves a lot of money," Obama said. "But what I've said is, let's look at every avenue, because what is true is we need to strengthen Social Security, we need to strengthen Medicare for future generations, the current path is not sustainable because we've got an aging population and health care costs are shooting up so quickly."

Obama's plan would raise $1.6 trillion in revenue in part by raising tax rates on incomes over $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for couples. He has recommended $400 billion in spending cuts over a decade.

He also is seeking extension of the Social Security payroll tax cut due to expire Jan. 1, a continuation in long-term unemployment benefits and steps to help hard-pressed homeowners and doctors who treat Medicare patients.

The White House summary noted that Obama last year signed legislation to cut more than $1 trillion from government programs over a decade, and was proposing $600 billion in additional savings from benefit programs.

Boehner's plan, in addition to calling for $800 billion in new revenue, envisions $600 billion in savings over a decade from Medicare, Medicaid and other government health programs, as well as $300 billion from other benefit programs and another $300 billion from other domestic programs.

It would trim annual increases in Social Security payments to beneficiaries and gradually raise the eligibility age for Medicare.

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Aw lets just forget about it and take AFOne on a cruise. It's only a few million but its the taxpayers money, we"ll get those millionaires to kick in or put it on the debt.

December 23 2012 at 5:19 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

if you look at what each american owes for the national debt (aprox 48-51k) not including entitlements we as a nation are in default. think about it as you stand in line at the supermarket, convenience store, fast food, dollar store, or pumping gas, does that family of 3 have 144k for their share of the debt?

December 13 2012 at 7:33 AM Report abuse -2 rate up rate down Reply

Boehner and the Republican have had the beating of their li8ves, and they are going back for more.......How stupid can you be????

They need to agree to everything the Prez want now unquestioned....let him have enough rope and he will do the rest! What this country needs is a catastrphic failure on the new socialist welfare state, let the go let them tax and spend until someone somwhere sez thats enough and throws this charleton out!

December 13 2012 at 12:47 AM Report abuse -2 rate up rate down Reply
2 replies to Bexarpaw's comment

You said Boehner, that makes Evan excited. He has a pet donkey named Somey

December 13 2012 at 3:37 AM Report abuse -4 rate up rate down Reply

Really????? I wasn't aware that the republicans lost the House in the most recent election. If you want to see what a real "beating of their lives" is, harken back to the Congressional elections of 2010.....now there's a real arse whuppin'!

December 13 2012 at 4:41 AM Report abuse -4 rate up rate down Reply


December 12 2012 at 11:46 PM Report abuse +2 rate up rate down Reply

let it go over, only the banks and investment companies will be hurt that much, if you have money in stocks and to stupid to take it out, now is the time to kiss it good bye, our government couldn't fix a burned out light bulb, let alone the econemy

December 12 2012 at 11:00 PM Report abuse +3 rate up rate down Reply

If they are unable to get along and do the job we are paying them to do then perhaps we should hire someone else to do the job. Very simple I would think. Money is tight,especially our money.

December 12 2012 at 10:46 PM Report abuse +1 rate up rate down Reply
1 reply to bv1500e's comment

Obama doesn't want to compromise. He thinks he's Hitler.

December 12 2012 at 10:56 PM Report abuse -2 rate up rate down Reply
1 reply to freethedems2012's comment

He does NOT want compromise OR settlement, he wants the constant struggle and warring to go on until there is nothing left!

He has not care or concern about anything American he just wants the power and the control!

December 13 2012 at 12:55 AM Report abuse +1 rate up rate down

A flat tax would be fairest to everyone. Dems don't want to be fair. They want to tax us to death so they can buy more votes with welfare.

December 12 2012 at 10:40 PM Report abuse -2 rate up rate down Reply

Folks have you seen the Politifact lie of the year? Turns out it was the Romney Ad on Jeeps made in China. Congrats Mitt!!!!

December 12 2012 at 10:36 PM Report abuse +2 rate up rate down Reply
1 reply to mitchnoconnell's comment

No, the biggest lie is that Obama wants to balance the budget.

December 12 2012 at 10:37 PM Report abuse -1 rate up rate down Reply
4 replies to freethedems2012's comment

Evan has been here with his magic thumbs up, thumbs down wand.

December 12 2012 at 10:02 PM Report abuse -5 rate up rate down Reply
2 replies to freethedems2012's comment

With his wand he'll prance around.
Rate the dumb up and the smart down.

December 12 2012 at 10:08 PM Report abuse -5 rate up rate down Reply

Good evening my little harbinger Floridian voter fraud registering friend. Hope all is well with you and yours this holiday season.

December 12 2012 at 10:18 PM Report abuse +4 rate up rate down Reply
1 reply to mitchnoconnell's comment

Are you stalking me, Evan? I'm armed.

December 12 2012 at 10:38 PM Report abuse -5 rate up rate down

Dems believe in borrow, tax, print and spend.
Will their insanity ever end? NO

December 12 2012 at 9:03 PM Report abuse -9 rate up rate down Reply