Talks Over Rams Lease Have St. Louis on Edge

Talks over Rams lease have St. Louis on edgeST. LOUIS (AP) - Fans are wondering about the fate of football in St. Louis as a deadline approaches for a plan to upgrade the home of the Rams.

Next Wednesday, Feb. 1, is the deadline for the St. Louis Convention and Visitors Commission to outline how it will transform the Edward Jones Dome into a "first-tier" stadium by 2015. If it fails to do so, the Rams can break their lease - and potentially move - after the 2014 season.

The commission has been meeting with city and county officials for several weeks on how to upgrade the dome, and how to pay for it. No one is discussing details. Messages left with Mayor Francis Slay's chief of staff Jeff Rainford and with St. Louis County Executive Charlie Dooley's spokesman, Mac Scott, were not returned.

Commission President Kathleen Ratcliffe declined comment. The commission said in a statement that the likelihood of success "is enhanced when the parties can make a frank exchange of information, on an ongoing confidential basis."

The stakes could be high.

Los Angeles is seeking an NFL team. Rams owner Stan Kroenke is a Missouri native and played a pivotal role in bringing the team to St. Louis 17 years ago. But he owns an estate in Malibu, is reportedly interested in buying the Los Angeles Dodgers and has been noncommittal about the future of his football team.

Adding to the worry was the announcement this month that the Rams would play a "home" game in London each of the next three seasons. Commissioner Roger Goodell has repeatedly spoken of possibly locating a team in London one day, and Kroenke is a majority shareholder in the English soccer club Arsenal.

Kroenke did not return messages seeking comment. Rams Chief Operating Officer Kevin Demoff on Wednesday declined comment.

Kroenke's only recent public appearance in St. Louis came earlier this month when he introduced Jeff Fisher as the new coach. Asked about the future of the Rams in St. Louis, Kroenke simply noted the deadline for the dome improvement plan.

"The chronology of what occurs with the lease is public knowledge," he said. "I don't think for me to comment on that process is ... particularly timely."

Football stadium issues have plagued St. Louis for decades and already cost the city one NFL team.

The football Cardinals spent 28 seasons in St. Louis, sharing old Busch Stadium with baseball's Cardinals. Frustrated by the inability to get his own stadium, Bill Bidwill moved the franchise to Arizona after the 1987 season.

Starved for football, St. Louis built the dome with taxpayer money - it was financed largely with $256 million in revenue bonds. And it worked: Prior to the 1995 season, civic leaders persuaded St. Louis native Georgia Frontiere to move the Rams from Los Angeles to her hometown. Kroenke bought a 40 percent interest. Frontiere died in 2008, and two years later, her children sold the team to Kroenke.

For a brief time, the dome was a raucous, happy place. Noise levels during the "Greatest Show on Turf" years of the late 1990s and early 2000s were so high that opponents complained they couldn't hear the quarterback signals. The Rams went to two Super Bowls, winning in 2000 and losing in 2002.

Since then, the on-field fortunes have declined markedly - the Rams were 2-14 in 2011 and 15-65 over the past five seasons. And critics contend the dome is outdated and unappealing.

Though not quite two decades old, only 10 NFL stadiums are older and some of those, such as Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City, Mo., and Soldier Field in Chicago - have undergone multimillion-dollar renovations.

The lease agreement keeps the Rams in St. Louis through 2025 - but allows the lease to be broken every 10 years unless the dome is judged to be in the "first tier," or top 25 percent, of all stadiums. About $30 million in publicly funded improvements persuaded the Rams to maintain the lease after the 2005 marker.

It won't be so easy this time. Given the economy, taxpayer help seems unlikely, especially since $24 million in public money - $12 million from the state of Missouri and $6 million each for St. Louis city and county - are paying off the dome debt through 2025.

Even the beloved baseball Cardinals had to pay for their own ballpark when the new Busch Stadium was built in 2006.

After the commission presents its plan, the Rams have until March 1 to accept or reject the offer. Arbitration would begin June 15 if no agreement is reached, and the arbitration process could last through the end of the year.


AP Sports Writer R.B. Fallstrom contributed to this report.

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"Upgraded" stadiums are absolutely asinine to consider building. Every existing stadium is good enough for years to come with improvements costing under $50 million---a far cry from building new!

January 26 2012 at 5:47 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Daniel Greene

NFL stadium deals are the definition of insanity, and the Seattle Kingdome tops the list of how insane we can be. Finished in '76 at a cost to taxpayers of $67 million. Torn down in 2000, after 24 years of use, at a cost to taxpayers of another $12 million, to be replaced by a new, "first tier" stadium at a cost to taxpayers of $300 million (with Paul Allen throwing in $130 million on top of that), while the city still had to pay off $120 million of bonds due for the kingdome 'upgrades.'

States and cities can't afford to pay the pensions and benefits promised their government workers, and we can't afford to pay our senior citizens the social security retirement benefits that they invested in all of their lives; we can't afford to provide senior citizens the medical insurance (medicare) that they paid for throughout their entire lives, but we can charge taxpayers hundreds of millions for stadiums that the team owners will then abandon if their periodic extortion demands for flashier, gaudier upgrades are not met. Just imagine, if every team had a lease agreement like the Rams, and every stadium had to be in the "First Tier" 25% of all NFL stadiums, we'd have 5 or 6 new NFL stadiums being built (and taxpayers being bilked) every year. What a country!

January 26 2012 at 3:44 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

I don't think LA deserves a professional football team. They were too cheap to keep the Rams 17 years ago and probably don't have the fan base to successfully support a professional team. Shoot, they have soccer (Mexican football) just leave it at that!!!

January 26 2012 at 3:36 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Eddie Martinez

Don't want the name Rams back in LA. LA needs a new name that we can all get behind. If the Rams organization wants to move back to LA you will have to rebrand.

January 26 2012 at 2:54 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

Oh come on!! There is nothing wrong with where they are playing right now! I hate how all these teams are suddenly demanding these new stadiums or they're leaving, fine go. But when you get where you're going and everyone HATES you, don't cry about it. An estate in Malibu...what does that have to do with running a baseball team and owning a football team?? And there's talk to move a team to London...that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. So we're gonna pay MORE for tickets because suddenly teams will have to get their players over to England, and instead of the owners paying for it, the fans will.

January 26 2012 at 2:37 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
William Bergmann

The Rams would not be welcome in LA, the Raiders either. The only way to get the LA fans behind an NFL stadium is to offer a new team without the reputation of a turncoat. Also, this owner would not be liked in LA if he got his hands on the Dodgers. Having an estate in Malibu is meaningless.

January 26 2012 at 2:05 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
1 reply to William Bergmann's comment

my first thought was yes rams comming back,because i used to be a fan when roman gabriel,jack snow, and youngblood bros played. but ur right la dont need tem and any other cities scraps la will only work with a new team

January 27 2012 at 12:58 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

I hope that the people of St. Louis will, en masse, volunteer to help the Rams pack up and leave town. That ought to be the message unless the owners of the Rams want to finance the deal themselves. At what point do the people tell these owners to "take a hike".

January 26 2012 at 1:23 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

A case where then Rich wants the poor to build a new football stadium . ?????????????

January 26 2012 at 9:51 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply