John Boehner, Speaker of the HouseAs promised, House Republicans, led by Speaker John Boehner of Ohio (pictured), wasted no time bringing up a bill to repeal the new health care insurance law. Congress is expected to vote on the GOP's "Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act" bill early Wednesday evening after listening to yet another full day of rhetoric. Playing a key role will be dueling statistics.

GOP leaders will continue to plead for the benefits of repealing the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, bringing arguments and numbers to support their viewpoint, while House Democrats will continue their counterpush, throwing very different numbers at the American public.

For example, a common statistics tossed around is that most Americans want the health care reform repealed, but several polls lately tell a different story. A new Washington Post-ABC News poll seems to suggest that 50% of Americans oppose Obamacare and 45% support it. But 25% of those who oppose the current health care act actually want even greater reform instead. Ideologically, says Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson, those opinions should be counted among the group favoring the reform. The poll also found that only 18% of Americans want a complete repeal.

Similarly, a recent Associated Press-GfK survey found that while fewer than one in five said the reform should be left as it is, only 10% want to change it to do less.

Spending and Jobs

When it comes to costs, things get even more tricky. For example, Democrats tout the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimates that the bill would cost net $788 billion to implement -- and would result in net savings of $143 billion over the next 10 years as a result of changes in spending and revenues. Republicans rebut those claims, saying the law will cost $2.6 trillion when fully implemented and add $701 billion to the deficit in its first 10 years.

The CBO also calculated that repealing the act will add $230 billion to the deficit.

The impact on jobs is similarly disputed. The White House claims that repealing the new law would cost at least 250,000 jobs a year on average, or some 2.5 million over the next 10 years. But Republicans say the new law will destroy between 120,000 and 650,000 jobs. Both these viewpoints are highly contested by economists, as The New York Times and DailyFinance's Charles Wallace point out.

The disagreements extend to other numbers, too. The law will extend coverage to 32 million Americans when fully implemented, the White House claims, and already over 1 million young adults under 26 are gaining coverage this year. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner says the bill helps businesses and the overall economy by eliminating hidden costs, such as the costs of care for the uninsured that are now paid in the form of higher premiums for those with coverage. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius say without the act, up to 129 million nonelderly Americans with some type of preexisting health condition would be at risk of losing health insurance.

Regardless, while it all makes for interesting sound bites and news coverage, the House vote is rather symbolic because the repeal bill isn't expected to pass the Democratic-controlled Senate. Republicans promise to continue fighting and are preparing to cut funding to some parts of the new law. Obama says he's "willing and eager" to work to improve the act, "But we can't go backward."

A good -- but hardly likely -- step forward would be some numbers that everyone can agree on.

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Bye the way, this bill adds hundreds of billions of dollars to Medicade, where is your state going come up with that money? This bill is a budget buster the likes of which we can not even comprehend!

January 20 2011 at 11:06 AM Report abuse +2 rate up rate down Reply

If Obama care is so good, why has the Administration issued over 250 waivers for companies and unions who now do not have to comply with the bill? Why did Congress have to brib and cut special deals to get the votes to pass the bill? Why did AARP who supported the bill receive a waiver to not have to comply? I needed to see a specialist and called nine in my area, not even one would accept a new Medicare patient. Rationing is here.

January 20 2011 at 11:02 AM Report abuse +2 rate up rate down Reply

consider this alternative to Obamacare or doing nothing....the Physicians for a National Health Program. HR676

January 20 2011 at 9:06 AM Report abuse +1 rate up rate down Reply
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January 20 2011 at 12:10 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
1 reply to Ahwatukee Randy's comment

Medicare and social security are not funded. until congress miraculously becomes fiscally responsible, I don't want them legislating anything. bit by bit, dollar by dollar, law by law, both parties in congress are whittling away our freedom.

January 20 2011 at 9:08 AM Report abuse +2 rate up rate down Reply

yes, we need to repeal obamacare. Did we get any improvement in availablility of affordable health insurance? NO! Did we get any improvement in the ability to provide health insurance for your chosen family? NO! Are we still tied to the choices of employer provided health insurance with the limitation of defined family eligibility? YES! Are we still subject to be uninsured everytime we are not working for someone else? YES! Are we still handicapped by the system of employer provided health insurance and as a result handicapped in our ability to be self employed, or to start a new business because of the cost of health insurance. Yes we can repeal obamacare and implement the changes which will return health insurance to the individual. We can improve the availabilty across state lines. We can return to the insurance company the ability to provide coverage for your chosed family whether that be the immediate family or your choice of extended family members. Yes we can improve health insurance coverage by returning the system to the individual.

January 20 2011 at 12:09 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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You must be rather young and\or inexperienced with insurance, coverage and underwriting, along with how insurance companies operate. I worked in the the insurance industry and we NEED more regulation over it (there is NO federal regulation of ANY insurance and Ins co's don't want any), I've watch peoples premiums go up 1000% over the last 20 years and it's uncalled for other than profits verses medical costs (improvement raises costs).

Insurance, Banking and Investing (financial advisers\brokers) are ALL the same group, they're out to make things as complicated as they can to keep it confusing to the average person so they can make money off the ignorance of the masses (using the current laws they helped write). We are not talking about "Health" care reform here we're actually talking about "Insurance" reform and insurance companies, along with their partners HATE that idea. Period. When have you ever heard of a banker, broker or insurance company acting in your best interest over their own? Never.

I wonder if the electorate will EVER figure this out.

January 20 2011 at 2:49 AM Report abuse +1 rate up rate down Reply

freeminds, I think you probably blame someone eles for everything. There are many causes to the rise in health care costs. Inovation being a big one, someone invents a device that is to treat "X", but this device cost $10M and each use will cost "Y" dollars and is very expensive, but also very good at what it was designed to do. I look at health insurance companies profits,and they are just not that great! Clearly, we need reform, but we need to have the federal government out of any portion of the operation. We should allow insurance across state lines, we should have tort reform, we should eliminate coverage caps, and allow portability, we should provide for non-cancellable policies. We should have an open window for pre-existing conditions, but not a forever one, otherwise a person could just wait until they have a serious problem then get coverage. You can not expect the health care system to pick up 30M more insureds without over stressing the providers. We are short something like 500,000 doctors today, add another 30M and there is no way they can be absorbed. And finally the government is very inefficient with common cost over runs on anything they do, I can't think of one government program that is properly funded, not one!

January 20 2011 at 10:48 AM Report abuse +2 rate up rate down Reply

Boner, McConnill and other republicon golden entitlement recipients are about the best political corp hoes big money pharma, insurance and finance can buy. Keeping their type in office with votes gets Americans closer to NEEDING a god we can pray to for help! And closer, and closer ......

January 19 2011 at 11:55 PM Report abuse +2 rate up rate down Reply
1 reply to freeminds4fact's comment

Democrat'sreceived more money from insurance and pharma's than republicans!

January 20 2011 at 10:51 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

I paid for my health care my whole life. Now the Dem's want me to pay for everyone's else. WHY?

January 19 2011 at 8:31 PM Report abuse +1 rate up rate down Reply
2 replies to carldoggiedad's comment

both parties in congress earn six figures with full benefits while they wreck the economy and legislate everything for us while exempting themselves...why???

January 20 2011 at 9:09 AM Report abuse +1 rate up rate down Reply

You already pay for the slackers. Remember, more than a few people only go to the emergency room at such time as their illness is debilitating. They then skip the bill and the hospital and insurance companies use YOU, the responsible party, to pay for the slackers. So, this is nothing new. you have been doing it for years. Why do you think a bandaid is $10 from a hosptial. Wake up

January 20 2011 at 9:40 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

How about congress getting what we get.They do not and it was dems who pushed through reform while they get premium coverage. If you has a clue, we cannot afford theirs never mind the same for everyone.

January 19 2011 at 8:21 PM Report abuse +2 rate up rate down Reply

Nice spin

January 19 2011 at 8:18 PM Report abuse -1 rate up rate down Reply

230 billion to repeal? 700 billion to keep it? DAMN they got us "pegged" as dumb as dogs or what! so when does the revolution start?

January 19 2011 at 7:04 PM Report abuse +2 rate up rate down Reply