Decision to try 9/11 detainees in New York provokes heated debate
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The decision by U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder (pictured) to prosecute self-proclaimed 9/11-mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed in New York set off a major debate Friday over whether the move makes legal and practical sense.Mohammed will face a jury trial in federal court in the Southern District of New York, only blocks away from the scene of the 2001 attack, where nearly 3,000 people lost their lives. "There were extraordinary crimes, and so we will seek maximum penalties," Holder said Friday in Washington, D.C. "I fully expect to direct prosecutors to seek the death penalty against each of the alleged 9/11 co-conspirators."
Four other individuals suspected of involvement in the terror attacks will also be tried in New York: Waleed bin Attash, Ramzi Binalshibh, Mustafa Ahmad al-Hawsawi and Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali. The physical transfer of the detainees from the naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to New York is not expected take place for several weeks because formal charges have not been filed. According to the AP, upon their arrival, the detainees will most likely be held in the bleak prison tower at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, which has housed some of the city's most high-profile criminals, including killers, terrorists, and, most recently Bernard Madoff, the Ponzi swindler.
A Risky Move in Pursuit of Justice
Holder's action is a step toward President Barack Obama's broader goal of closing the Guantanamo Bay prison, which will test the president's argument that the suspects can be successfully held and tried on American soil. Some legal experts suggest that because Mohammed has been subjected to harsh interrogation techniques, including waterboarding -- simulated drowning -- any information gathered from him through such techniques might not be admissible in court.
Speaking in Tokyo after a summit meeting with Japanese Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama, Obama expressed support for Holder's decision. "I am absolutely convinced that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed will be subjected to the most exacting demands of justice," Obama said.
The president has said he wants to change the policies of his predecessor, George W. Bush, who insisted that the Guantanamo detainees be held as enemy combatants in an extra-national facility with extra-legal status. But Obama's move to legitimize the pursuit of justice for the attacks by bringing Mohammed into the American legal system carries enormous risks. Unfortunately for the prosecution in this case, nothing short of conviction will be acceptable to much of the public; while Mohammed has nothing to lose.
The first thing that a smart defense lawyer would do is seek a change of venue, arguing that the defendants could not receive a fair trial in lower Manhattan.
'They Don't Deserve the Same Rights as Americans'
Ray Kelly, New York City's Chief of Police said it was "entirely appropriate" that the suspects be tried in the city.
"They are responsible for the deaths of 3,000 people right here in Manhattan, and I think they should be tried in the venue where they committed the crime," Kelly told reporters Friday. "That has always been the standard in our criminal justice system. I see it fitting and appropriate."
But Frank Siller, a firefighter whose brother was killed, said it is a horrible decision to bring the detainees to New York. "They're in Gitmo and they should stay there and be tried in military court," Siller told NY1. "They're not Americans and they don't deserve the same rights as Americans. They killed 3,000 people that day and they are still trying to kill us today."
On September 11, 2001, hijackers commandeered four commercial jets and flew two of them into the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center -- an international symbol of capitalism and American values. Another hijacked plane was flown into the Pentagon in Arlington, Va.; a fourth crashed in a field in Pennsylvania after being retaken by passengers.
It was the worst act of terrorism in American history and immediately set the nation on a course that led to two wars, increased surveillance of citizens, and intense national soul-searching over civil liberties, the laws of war, and American values.
New York Has Terror-Trial Experience, Says Sen. Schumer
Mohammed has allegedly admitted to authorities that he is responsible for the attacks; he is said to have originally proposed the idea in 1996 to Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, who is still at-large in the tribal areas of Pakistan. Mohammed has also allegedly admitted to training, funding and organizing the 9/11 hijackers.
Prosecutors in New York reportedly competed with officials from Virginia, where the Pentagon is located, for the chance to try the 9/11 suspects. The Southern District of New York has seen a number of terrorism-related cases in recent years. The courthouse, a classical edifice at the heart of lower Manhattan's municipal complex, is just blocks away from the World Trade Center site.
U.S. Sen. Chuck Schumer, (D-N.Y.), has argued that unlike other communities in the country, which have objected to receiving hardened detainees, New York has a lengthy history of holding terrorists and trying them in its courts. "Bottom line is we have had terrorists housed in New York before," Schumer said in March at the U.S. Capitol with other Democratic leaders. "They've been housed safely."
The Obama administration has pointed to the case of the 1993 World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef as an example of a case in which a suspected terrorist was safely tried, convicted, and imprisoned in the United States.



























Reader Comments (Page 1 of 6)
11-13-2009 @ 4:05PM
Chuck said...
MY GOD does anybody believe the idiots that are at the helm of the ship. If this happens wait for the next major attack because all the information they need is about to be exposed.
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11-14-2009 @ 12:59AM
splishdripper said...
I DON'T LIVE IN OR NEAR NYC BUT GOD BLESS YOU PEOPLE THAT DO. I WOULDN'T GO NEAR NYC DURING THAT TRIAL. YIKES!
11-14-2009 @ 10:28AM
willowreed said...
Yes idiots are running the country. we voted them in some time ago. The dems have had control of congress for a long while and yet..amazingly, they have done pretty much nothing except spend our money.
I am surprised that holden actually is going forward with this trial. It seems to be a donkey court, with the idea behind it to drum up numbers for the liberal administration (look! we are tough on terrorists!).
11-14-2009 @ 8:46PM
juslookin said...
What rights do they deserve? NONE!!!!!! Try them where they commited their crimes. They should be put to immediate death..by hanging...taken up into a plane, the pilot jumps out with the only parachute, being burned alive, sodomized, anything that is cruel, something that will make them endure long and agonizing pain. C'mon you do gooders, 9/11 2001 our world came to a stand still, brothers, sisters, mothers dads husbands and wives and children died because of these terrorists and you are worried about where they are tried????? If we commited any crime we would get the harshest punishment because they don't care. The Bible says an eye for an eye and Gods word should be the final one.
11-13-2009 @ 5:05PM
Lee Gibson said...
Excuse me, but what connection does this story have with finance?
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11-13-2009 @ 5:07PM
John said...
The media is on the take they have a slant on all....
This administration is destroying the country.
11-13-2009 @ 5:07PM
John said...
There is something inheritly wrong with this administration.
10 months and the country has changed so much that I can't recognize it. This has to stop....this man is just destroying it all.
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11-14-2009 @ 8:13AM
R.L. said...
Put very well. I hardly feel like I am still living in America.
11-13-2009 @ 11:32PM
Hary Boche said...
Absolutely the dumbest decision I have ever heard. Enemy combatints do not have rights as American citizens. They should be tried by a military court. The Texas murderer committed his crime against American soldiers on American siol and he is being tried by a military court. Holder is an idiot and is putting the rest of us at risk and giving the terrorist a platform to spue their poison to the world.
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11-14-2009 @ 10:17AM
Mindwrencher said...
This is ABSOLUTELY and EXACTLY what we need to do!! We as a country need to broadcast our condemnation of these crimnals far and wide to the entire earth. YES, they DO need to be tried in the American court system. WHY?? Because it is a catch 22 for O'bama. If they are executed, it is a pig in the face of every Muslim sympathizer on the planet and our DEMONSTRATION that their agenda of hatred and violence WILL BE CONDEMNED AND PUNISHED PUBLICLY!!! And if they are NOT found guilty and condemned....then the Muslim sympathizer O'bama and his henchman Holder will be replaced!! CATCH 22!!
11-14-2009 @ 2:36PM
Jim said...
If they are to be tried at all, then it has to be in a civilian court as Congress did NOT OFFICIALY declare war. You can only have a military tribunal if they are WAR crimes. Why is everyone so up in arms over this? Where were all you people when Bush was running the show and did not PUSH for a military tribunal? Oh maybe because it was illegal, but that never stopped Bush/Cheney on anything else.
We are in this mess because Carter, Rayguns, Bush Sr. and Clinton did not act when the Muslim terrorists attcked. The first Muslim acts were performed in the Carter admin in 1979.
11-13-2009 @ 8:45PM
FOXYLYNX said...
THIS IS AN ABOMINATION - THOSE PIGS SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUT UP AGAINST A WALL AND SHOT A LONG TIME AGO!
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11-13-2009 @ 9:30PM
Choperia said...
Obama knows very well that these animals were never given their Mirandas and hence nothing will be able to be used against them. Military courts do not use them.
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11-13-2009 @ 9:35PM
Choperia said...
Why did Holder try these 5 in US court system and 5 others in military tribunals? Holder also knows that he can say they will seek the death penalty but he also knows the law will not allow it unless these animals are convicted! First time I've heard nHolder say death penalty where he was speaking against it.
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11-13-2009 @ 10:02PM
Claire said...
America will be on trial not the terrorists. It is all part of the President's plan. Think about it! There's not enough room here to explain my comment. Just THINK!!!
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11-13-2009 @ 10:55PM
John said...
You are soooo right.
Why can people see this....11 months and I can't recognize the USA
11-14-2009 @ 3:39AM
David S. said...
You can't explain it because you are just another Obama hater. Go vote Republican next time and genuflect and make the sign of the cross when you do -- you know, like usual.
11-13-2009 @ 10:51PM
coneyisle said...
Shoot the shits and then try them
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11-13-2009 @ 10:08PM
Virginia Jenkins said...
Civilian Court not Military Court:
The Terrorist Killers of 911 need an American Hearing in Court in New York, based on the USA Constitution.
The United States of America is not a Military State Nation.
We the People of America have a Constitution.
The Terrorist of 911 are a Muslim Death Cult that want to
destroy America. The Terrorist come from different
Countries. The Muslim Terrorist was not in a Military Uniform fighting American Military War Soldiers. The
Muslim Terrorist are Street Gang Killers Of Mass Destruction using an Airplane as a Bomb Weapon.
THE UNITED STATES MILITARY ARMED SERVICES can
not have a Court Hearing on these Terrorist Muslim Death Cult. The Muslim Terrorist are monsters that murdered American Citizens. America was not at War with any Nation. The Muslim Terrorist are not War Criminals, they
are Muslim Death Cult Criminals, that declared Death to America. The United States of America Military have no Authority over the Muslim Terrorist in a Court Hearing. America Justice Courts can not become a Military Court of Law. Military Courts can not rule America!
Please do not let the words: War Criminals
confuse you, The Muslim Terrorist are Killer Monsters
seeking to Kill Office Workers in the Thousands in seconds. Muslim Terrorist have a Blood Lust for America!
We The People of America must not become a Military
Court. We must Honor, Respect, and Practice the
THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. WARNING: Do not let the Military Powers
take away our Constitutional Rights inch by inch in slow
motion until We The People of America become a Nation
of Military Nazi Germany. An American Jury know how to
bring a fair and just verdict to monster killers. Save America Now ! Think!
The Fort Hood, Texas Muslim Terrorist needs Military Court
Justice due to the fact, truth, and reality he was in the
Military and on a Military Base. The Fort Hood Terrorist
is a War Criminal and the Military should have Authority over him.
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11-14-2009 @ 7:39AM
Hawk said...
V Jenkins -- Jones has some left over kool-aid for you