Oil states deny plans to dump the dollar
Big oil producing nations denied a British newspaper report on Tuesday that Gulf Arab states were in secret talks with Russia, China, Japan and France to replace the U.S. dollar with a basket of currencies in trading oil.The dollar eased in response to the report, which was written by The Independent's Middle East correspondent Robert Fisk and cited unidentified sources in Gulf Arab states and Chinese banking sources in Hong Kong.
It said the proposal was for trade in crude oil to move over nine years to a basket of currencies including the Japanese yen, the Chinese yuan, the euro, gold and a new, unified currency planned for nations in the Gulf Co-operation Council, which includes Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.
The report coincides with a wider debate on the role of the dollar as the world's reserve currency, which has come under question. For most of this decade, the United States has struggled to maintain the dollar's value.
But top officials of Saudi Arabia and Russia, speaking on the sidelines of International Monetary Fund meetings in Istanbul, denied there were such talks. The two countries are the world's largest and second-largest oil exporters.
Asked by reporters about the newspaper story, Saudi Arabia's central bank chief Muhammad al-Jasser said: "Absolutely incorrect." He repeated the same response when asked whether Saudi Arabia was in such talks.
Algerian Finance Minister Karim Djoudi told Reuters: "Oil producing countries need to stabilize revenues but...I don't see a need for oil trade to be denominated differently.
"But we are at the IMF conference where all sorts of subjects are raised and discussed," he added.
'NOT LIKELY'
Analysts said that while individual countries would find it relatively easy to stop using the dollar in oil trades, as Iran has done, replacing the currency in which oil is priced would require a massive effort.
The newspaper story did not make clear how the change would work, and many analysts doubted it would occur any time soon.
"I don't think this is a likely scenario in the short to medium term," said Carsten Fritsch, oil analyst at Commerzbank in Frankfurt. "Without Saudi Arabia's support it is difficult to imagine that the dollar will be replaced."
Saudi Arabia and some other Gulf states peg their currencies to the dollar.
Russia has in the past raised the idea of shifting its oil trade away from the dollar, which has been undermined by the U.S. trade and budget deficits. China has suggested that in the long term, the dollar should lose its role as the globe's top reserve currency.
But strong political links between Gulf nations and the United States, as well as the lack of convertibility for many Gulf currencies and the yuan top the list of practical hurdles to replacing the dollar.
"If there was already a significant proportion of global oil trade being priced in non-U.S. dollar now, than perhaps there would be more pressure to price crude in another currency," said Victor Shum, analyst at Purvin & Gertz in Singapore. "But we're still far from that."
'WORTHLESS PIECE OF PAPER'
Iran, which a few years ago began increasing its sales of oil in currencies other than the dollar, has made a huge profit from the policy, Central Bank Governor Mahmoud Bahmani was quoted as saying on Tuesday.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has called the U.S. currency a "worthless piece of paper." The Islamic state is under U.S. and U.N. sanctions over its disputed nuclear programme.
The Independent's story said: "Secret meetings have already been held by finance ministers and central bank governors in Russia, China, Japan and Brazil to work on the scheme, which will mean that oil will no longer be priced in dollars."
France had also been involved in the talks, it said.
The Independent said U.S. authorities were aware that the meetings had taken place but had not discovered the details and were "sure to fight this international cabal."
(Additional reporting by Fayen Wong in Perth, Anirban Nag in Sydney, Toni Vorobyova and Alexandra Hudson in Istanbul, Joe Brock and Alex Lawler in London and Reza Derakhshi in Tehran. Editing by Anthony Barker.)
The report coincides with a wider debate on the role of the dollar as the world's reserve currency, which has come under question. For most of this decade, the United States has struggled to maintain the dollar's value.
But top officials of Saudi Arabia and Russia, speaking on the sidelines of International Monetary Fund meetings in Istanbul, denied there were such talks. The two countries are the world's largest and second-largest oil exporters.
Asked by reporters about the newspaper story, Saudi Arabia's central bank chief Muhammad al-Jasser said: "Absolutely incorrect." He repeated the same response when asked whether Saudi Arabia was in such talks.
Kuwait's oil minister and a well-placed source in the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries made similar remarks. Russia's deputy finance minister Dmitry Pankin said: "We did not discuss this at all."
The dollar slipped in the wake of the newspaper story. The euro edged up as high as $1.4749, although it fell back to $1.4701 when the Saudi Arabian and Russian officials denied the report. Oil prices rose above $71 a barrel on Tuesday.
Algerian Finance Minister Karim Djoudi told Reuters: "Oil producing countries need to stabilize revenues but...I don't see a need for oil trade to be denominated differently.
"But we are at the IMF conference where all sorts of subjects are raised and discussed," he added.
'NOT LIKELY'
Analysts said that while individual countries would find it relatively easy to stop using the dollar in oil trades, as Iran has done, replacing the currency in which oil is priced would require a massive effort.
The newspaper story did not make clear how the change would work, and many analysts doubted it would occur any time soon.
"I don't think this is a likely scenario in the short to medium term," said Carsten Fritsch, oil analyst at Commerzbank in Frankfurt. "Without Saudi Arabia's support it is difficult to imagine that the dollar will be replaced."
Saudi Arabia and some other Gulf states peg their currencies to the dollar.
Russia has in the past raised the idea of shifting its oil trade away from the dollar, which has been undermined by the U.S. trade and budget deficits. China has suggested that in the long term, the dollar should lose its role as the globe's top reserve currency.
But strong political links between Gulf nations and the United States, as well as the lack of convertibility for many Gulf currencies and the yuan top the list of practical hurdles to replacing the dollar.
"If there was already a significant proportion of global oil trade being priced in non-U.S. dollar now, than perhaps there would be more pressure to price crude in another currency," said Victor Shum, analyst at Purvin & Gertz in Singapore. "But we're still far from that."
'WORTHLESS PIECE OF PAPER'
Iran, which a few years ago began increasing its sales of oil in currencies other than the dollar, has made a huge profit from the policy, Central Bank Governor Mahmoud Bahmani was quoted as saying on Tuesday.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has called the U.S. currency a "worthless piece of paper." The Islamic state is under U.S. and U.N. sanctions over its disputed nuclear programme.
The Independent's story said: "Secret meetings have already been held by finance ministers and central bank governors in Russia, China, Japan and Brazil to work on the scheme, which will mean that oil will no longer be priced in dollars."
France had also been involved in the talks, it said.
The Independent said U.S. authorities were aware that the meetings had taken place but had not discovered the details and were "sure to fight this international cabal."
(Additional reporting by Fayen Wong in Perth, Anirban Nag in Sydney, Toni Vorobyova and Alexandra Hudson in Istanbul, Joe Brock and Alex Lawler in London and Reza Derakhshi in Tehran. Editing by Anthony Barker.)



























Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
10-06-2009 @ 2:08PM
joe mama said...
i am new to all this technology and financial jargon. would someone enlighten me concerning what changing of purchases "based on the dollar" to a "basket of currencies"
will mean to the average consumer in the u.s.?
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10-06-2009 @ 2:28PM
Drew said...
What it means is that they are, or will issue a "note" based upon the coolective values of Euros, Rubles, etc - a "global currency" per se. Most of the stuff coming out of British papers has been accurate, so it's my guess they were looking for a back up plan to our fall, should it happen. To read that Iran has made money and that Russia will not support sanctions to stop them makes me wonder why we are not getting our "poop in a hoop" and dumping the "global economy" - it hasn't been good for us.
10-06-2009 @ 2:16PM
bailoutsos said...
I guess people do not remember that in the early 80s, Saudi Arabia and Russia conspired to control the production of oil. Results -- ODD or EVEN license number to fill your tank in California.
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10-06-2009 @ 4:06PM
Sean said...
In the 80's, it was Saudi Arabia and the US conspiring to flood the world oil market to help w/ the collapse of the USSR. Which is why oil was so low for a long time.
Russia also exports oil, and with the market flooded, the price low, they couldn't keep the military machine greased very long.
10-06-2009 @ 4:18PM
Jeff said...
Bailoutsos - in your reply to my comment you say - "I have an issue with sending American troops to defend the oilfields of a foreign nation. Right now, American troops in Iraq are dying and protecting the oil fields. China has no troops there and has negotiated millions of dollars worth of investments in oil."
America didn't send it's troops to Iraq "to defend the oil fields of a foreign nation." It invaded Iraq, pure and simple. Might makes right, the golden rule, "he who's got the gold, rules" or in this case oil. BTW, American troops under Obama are now back in their bases in Iraq and aren't doing guard duty at oilfields. America invaded Iraq to get the oil. This is proved by the treaty GW Bush forced Iraq to sign in 2007 giving a framework to the pullout of American troops - Bush made the Iraq government commit to long-term, exclusive contracts with American oil companies and oil service companies as a condition of US withdrawal.
If the Chinese are able to get long-term oil contracts in the Middle East and Africa without invading anybody, more power to them. They're likely to beat America at its own game, without firing a shot and at a fraction of the price that America has paid by engaging in a war for oil. America SHOULD pay a steep price for engaging in war to acheive its ends.
10-06-2009 @ 2:35PM
Drew said...
Yes I do - and it was the Arab Oil Embargo of 1973. funny how we created the Dept of Energy to make us independent FROM foreign oil, and here it is 36 years later, as we import MORE oil from them. The only way to blunt American military power is to cripple both the economy and our military mobility - and both can be done with another cut off in one fell swoop. America would find itself a conquorable nation, indeed.
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10-06-2009 @ 3:03PM
Jeff said...
Americans, stop whining. The rest of the world is not obligated to sell you their resources at a discount price. They are free to what is good for themselves, not what is good for you. If you believe in a system based on market forces, you'll have to pay whatever the market will bear.
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10-06-2009 @ 3:47PM
bailouttsos said...
As an American, I have grown up with inflation. I do not have an issue with prices rising. I have an issue with sending American troops to defend the oilfields of a foreign nation. Right now, American troops in Iraq are dying and protecting the oil fields. China has no troops there and has negotiated millions of dollars worth of investments in oil.
10-06-2009 @ 4:46PM
LIONEL said...
OR, WE CAN JUST " TAKE IT AWAY " FROM EM , WHY NOT ?
10-06-2009 @ 3:08PM
Natalie said...
Is the work of the Bilderberg Group. Devalue the American Dollar, force us to a global currency. The IMF plays a huge role in this.
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10-06-2009 @ 4:12PM
MyKisa said...
....IMF will maintain gold, oil and carbon credits at roughly the same value....and gold will not be valued at todays prices....many will loose their hedge against inflation....we will become a trading bloc in this hemisphere and America as we know it will cease to exist
10-06-2009 @ 3:10PM
Andy said...
The dollar is finished. Buy some gold.
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10-06-2009 @ 3:22PM
Allyn said...
So some dude writes an article about the dollar being replaced without stating any bonified sources. I would suspect that the author has some ulterior motive for writing the article more than just getting out some unknown information. People who write such articles should be requires to list all their financial investments including those of their immediate family. People who stir the pot generally have a reason to.
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10-06-2009 @ 3:27PM
C Thomas said...
Face it Wall ST. the rest of the world's countries are NOT going to allow Isreal to take control of the International monetary system even if the U.S. doesn't seem to care ! If Isreal's influence on our system isn't reversed soon we are going to be in real trouble financially !
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10-06-2009 @ 4:10PM
george said...
Israel? Israel is a pipsqueak nation. I know that there will be no hope of ever disuading people obsessed with Jews on this issue. But quite frankly "the proof is in the pudding." Israel clearly has (or at least had) the military prowess to beat the armies of multiple Arab nations including that of Saudia Arabia. had Israel had any substantive control over US poloicy in one of their wars they would have taken some oil producing lands from the Arabs. Israel has been allowed to exist and survive - thats about the extent of its power.
10-07-2009 @ 5:45AM
PatR said...
WTF?? We are already in a serious financial condition due to our national debt and soon to be even in a worse position when we increase our debt by passing this BS healthcare bill. Also our president and congress have absolutely no intention of reducing spending to curtail the deficit. Actually, they intend to increase spending in the guise of stimulating our economy. As it is, our grandchildrens grandchildren will be paying the interest on this debt without touching the principle. Remember Biden saying we have to spend a lot of money to get out of debt. Not very logical!
10-06-2009 @ 3:51PM
t said...
Keep accumulating physical gold and gold stocks the media wasn;t supposed to leak this . Now they along with the government are trying to deny or cover it . How do you say OOOOOOOPS .
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10-06-2009 @ 3:51PM
B said...
If we can get off the damn oil standard to begin with, we wouldn't give a s**t what the rest of the world does with their currency. However, as it is, this will be the key piece towards final devaluation and replacement of the U.S. Dollar, and into the new "Amero" currency: the money of the new North American Union. Check it out for yourselves. .. Look up the Trilateral Commission, and the Bilderburger Society. Then look at the member's names. They are the same folks who run the Federal Reserve. You will not recognize this country in 5 years.
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10-06-2009 @ 3:58PM
REB said...
"For most of this decade, the United States has struggled to maintain the dollar's value."
Uhhh, No! Since 2001 the US Treasury has orchestrated a deliberate policy to devalue the dollar in order to improve the bloated US balance of payments deficit. The theory was to make US exports cheap in the world markets thus offsetting the overwhelming flood of imports. But the White House and Treasury neo-cons forgot one thing. Imported Oil! (How could they forget it, but they did!) Priced in dollars which were losing value so it took more dollars to buy the same barrel of crude. The balance of trade deficit soared instead of contracting. For every extra dollar made in export sales, 2 were spent on imported oil. The current runaway deficit spending is simply the icing on the cake. History since the emperor Nero is littered with the wreckage of regimes that devalued their currencies.
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10-07-2009 @ 10:18AM
LARRY said...
THE OIL STATES HAVE FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT --WITH OBAMA THE LIAR AND THIEF AND NOW LOSER THE DOLLAR WILL PROBABLY BECOM WORTHLESS--
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