I'm sorry Kimo, are you actually trying to claim that human caused global warming is contrary to science? And then comparing this view to creationists? I was under the impression that creationism and global warming denial both arose from cultural conservatives...

Is global warming real? yes. Is it a problem? yes. Did we cause it? I for one can't really make a judgment on this. It is currently in debate by the scientific community, and I am not nearly as qualified as those people. And I'll hazard a guess that you're not qualified either. So maybe you should avoid calling other's viewpoints "drug addled", after all, after all ad hominum arguments by definition are of zero consequence.

It's a pretty sad state of affairs when scientific discourse is hijacked by ideological demagogues.

p.s. have you even SEEN An Inconvenient Truth?

Right on buddy!!!

What does the issue of global warming have to do with the cops arresting them? Parody and fair use are an accepted part of law- they committed no crime.

Actually, in this case, those say there is climate change caused by humans should be compared to those who supported evolution so long ago. It is science, the grand majority if scientists, and all evidence which suggests climate change on a catastrophic scale, and that the primary cause is human activity. We have the reports. We have years of data supporting this. We have current examples of the change and how very much different and catastrophically fast it is occurring.

We also have data which shows that earth should be on a cooling trend due to solar activity. We should be getting cooler, not warmer.

The data is on our side. What have you got?

I'm with Kimo. The earth is warming, then the deep freeze will come. It's happened countless times before. It's happening now. It's actually fairly miraculous that we've had this extended period of relatively mild weather given how chaotic the weather has been nistorically, as shown by the geological record. Andrew, have you seen the size of Gore's enormous, energy-guzzling mansion? You do realize he flies in a G5 to all his environment summits, leaving a mighty big set of carbon footprints as he goes, right? Can you not see he is just trying to stay relevant? Why listen to that guy? He's a bigger offender than any of us could ever dream of being. Stop thinking you're an expert in something just because you've watched Discovery channel everyday and seen some god-awful movie. Carbon footprints and carbon credits? What a joke. Don't you realize the people you are listening to are turning a hefty profit off the gullibilty of you people. Please, let's start a dialouge about how we will adapt as the NATURALLY occurring cycle of so-called climate change wreaks havoc on our current way of life. All people like Kimo and I are asking is that you minions in the Gore army stop running around screaming the sky is falling and it's all our fault. Trust me, Kimo and I are very aware the weather is turning on us, I'd rather talk about how to deal with it, not assign blame. And to Marc, go to school and take some classes on the climate and you'll learn that EVERYTIME the earth has frozen over, it was preceded by a massive warming period. The poles melt as the earth warms, releasing all that fresh water in the poles into the oceans. Fresh water does not sink to the bottom when it cools, effectively stopping the Atlantic Current, which is what keeps Europe mild while Canada is a frozen tundra. That is what is happening now.

WELL SAID!!! WELL SPOKEN!!! Good job Kimo!!!

Kimo,
You left out the biggest air polluters there are and increasing in numbers VOLCANOS, THEY NOT ONLY CREATE AIR POLLUTION BUT INCREASE WATER TEMPURATURE IN THE OCEANS!

Kimo wasn't denying climate change, he was saying it's happened before and well we weren't even around then so why are you all so quick to assume we are responsible for it now, hoping that we'll find some magical fix to stop it in its tracks. We're screwed if we don't stop dreaming of stopping it and start figuring out how to adapt to it. So uh...how long have you been a jackass, sir?

There seems to be a failure to communicate here.

Does global warming exist? Yes, it seems to be the case.

Does human activity cause it? Possibly, but probably it's due to both human and natural factors.

What can we do about it? We can't control the nature part, but we can do something about the human part.

If we can't stop nature, why stop man? Because man is making it worse. We don't have to be the only cause of a problem to be the ones to repair that part that we cause.

So, no, humans are not the only factor, but we are the main factor under our control. Science can influence nature (cloud-seeding for rain, for instance) but not control it. We can't even totally control ourselves, but we can try a lot harder than we've been doing, eh?

If what bothers the deniers is that folks are saying, "It's all our fault," then reply, "No, it isn't, but let's fix what we can, anyway." Any other reason for denial is just that, denial. And denial is not helpful.

Ed

Bravo, Ed! In an attempt to avoid "this will impress them" words, I shall put it more simpler words - clean up the mess we made, stop making the mess worse and figure out how to not make such a big mess from now on. Seems like a lesson we learned before kindergarten. Or are we destined to be another generation with the "someone else can get it", "don't look at me, I didn't do it", or "it's not my job" mentality? If you do, I hope you don't have children. You can't say it any clearer to them that you don't care what kind of future they or their children will have just because of semantics.

"Coldest summer"? Where? Certainly not in the US's Pacific Northwest.
It's called Global Climate Change, not one freakish summer in the Midwest. (which I most thoroughly enjoyed)

Coldest summer in some areas also means hottest summer on record in others. Washington state had drought conditions. Home to one of the only rain forests in the northern hemisphere had drought conditions. Yes, in the American north east we had one of the coolest summers on record. We also had abnormal rainfall. Other places saw insane flooding... it's all part of global climate change and an average global temperature increase. This is not something you can stick your head out the window to detect on a global scale.

Thomas Friedman wishes it were...