This is living proof how two-faced GM is, old GM, new GM, old GM, new GM, blue, green, blue, green, blue, green, old, new. I WOULD RATHER BUY A CAR FROM THE AYATOLLAH IN IRAN THAN FROM GM. NEVER BUY GM.

Actually it looks nothing like the Aztec, which has to be one of the ten most ugly cars of all time. I didn't say I bought a Japanese car, especially since I have a Chrysler Town and Country Minivan, I was just acknowledging the fact that Nissan's cars are very well designed while GM's cars on the whole are not.

Gentlemen:

In response to your request to contact legislators and ask for a bailout for the Big Three automakers, please consider the following, and please pass my thoughts on to Troy Clarke, President of General Motors North America. Politicians and Management of the Big 3 are both infected with the same entitlement mentality that has spread like cancerous germs in UAW halls for the last countless decades, and whose plague is now sweeping this nation, awaiting our new "Messiah," Pres. Obama, to wave his magic wand and make all our problems go away, while at the same time allowing our once great nation to keep "living the dream." Believe me folks, The dream is over!

This dream where we can ignore the consumer for years while management myopically focuses on its personal rewards packages at the same time that our factories have been filled with the world’s most overpaid, arrogant, ignorant and laziest entitlement-minded "laborers" without paying the price for these atrocities. This dream where you still think the masses will line up to buy our products for ever and ever.

Don't even think about telling me I'm wrong. Don't accuse me of not knowing of what I speak. I have called on Ford, GM, Chrysler, TRW, Delphi, Kelsey Hayes, American Axle, and countless other automotive OEM's throughout the Midwest , during the past 30 years and what I've seen over those years in these union shops can only be described as disgusting.

Troy Clarke, President of General Motors North America, states: "There is widespread sentiment throughout this country, and our government, and especially via the news media, that the current crisis is completely the result of bad management which it certainly is not."

You're right Mr. Clarke, it's not JUST management. How about the electricians who walk around the plants like lords in feudal times, making people wait on them for countless hours while they drag ass so they can come in on the weekend and make double and triple time for a job they easily could have done within their normal 40 hour work week? How about the line workers who threaten “newbies” with all kinds of scare tactics for putting out too many parts on a shift and for being too productive?
(We certainly must not expose those lazy bums who have been getting overpaid for decades for their horrific underproduction, must we?)

Do you folks really not know about this stuff? How about this great sentiment abridged from Mr. Clarke's sad plea: "over the last few years we have closed the quality and efficiency gaps with our competitors." What the hell has Detroit been doing for the last 40 years?!? Did we really JUST wake up to the gaps in quality and efficiency between us and them? The K car vs. the Accord? The Pinto vs. the Civic? Do I need to go on? What a joke!

We are living through the inevitable outcome of the actions of the United States auto industry for decades. It's time to pay for your sins, Detroit ...

I attended an economic summit last week where brilliant economist Alan Beaulieu from the Institute of Trend Research surprised the crowd when he said he would not have given the banks a penny of "bailout money."

"Yes,” he said, “this would cause short term problems," but despite what people like politicians and corporate magnates would have us believe, the sun would in fact rise the next day and the following very important thing would happen. Where there had been greedy and sloppy banks, new efficient ones would pop up. That is how a free market system works. It does work if we would only let it work."

But for some nondescript reason we are now deciding that the rest of the world is right and that capitalism doesn't work - that we need the government to step in and "save us". Save us my ass. Hell - we're nationalizing and unfortunately too many of our once fine nation's citizens don't even have a clue that this is what is really happening.

But, they sure can tell you the stats on their favorite sports teams.
Yeah - THAT'S really important, isn't it?

Does it ever occur to ANYONE that the "competition" has been producing vehicles, EXTREMELY PROFITABLY, for decades in this country? How can that be? Let's see. Fuel efficient. Listening to customers... Investing in the proper tooling and automation for the long haul.

Not being too complacent or arrogant to listen to Dr. W Edwards Deming four decades ago when he taught that by adopting appropriate principles of management, organizations could increase quality and simultaneously reduce costs. Ever increased productivity through quality and intelligent planning. Treating vendors like strategic partners, rather than like "the enemy." Efficient front and back offices. Non-union environment.

Again, I could go on and on, but I really wouldn't be telling anyone anything they really don't already know down deep in their hearts.

I have six children, so I am not unfamiliar with the concept of wanting someone to bail you out of a mess that you have gotten yourself into. My children do this on a weekly, if not daily, basis as I did when I was their age. I do for them what my parents did for me (one of their greatest gifts, by the way). I make them stand on their own two feet and accept the consequences of their actions and work through it. Radical concept, huh. Am I there for them in the wings? Of course, but only until such time as they need to be fully on their own as adults...

I don't want to oversimplify a complex situation, but there certainly are unmistakable parallels here between the proper role of parenting and government. Detroit and the United States need to pay for their sins.

Bad news, people - it's coming whether we like it or not. The newly elected Messiah really doesn't have a magic wand big enough to "make it all go away." I laughed as I heard Obama "reeling it back in" almost immediately after the final vote count was tallied. "We really might not do it in a year or in four." Where the Hell was that kind of talk when he was RUNNING for office.

Stop trying to put off the inevitable, folks. That house in Florida really isn't worth $750,000. People who jump across a border really don't deserve free health care benefits. That job driving that forklift for the Big 3 really isn't worth $85,000 a year. We really shouldn't allow Wal-Mart to stock their shelves with products acquired from a country that unfairly manipulates their currency and has the most atrocious human rights infractions on the face of the globe. That couple whose combined income is less than $50,000 really shouldn't be living in that $485,000 home.
Let the market correct itself folks; it will. Yes, it will be painful, but it's gonna be painful either way, and the bright side of my proposal is that on the other side of it all is a nation that appreciates what it has and doesn't live beyond its means and gets back to basics and redevelops the patriotic work ethic that made it the greatest nation in the history of the world, and also probably turns back to God.

Sorry - don't cut my head off, I'm just the messenger sharing with you the "bad news".
I hope you take it to heart.

CHEEZ. My money-my decision.

Dave: My guess is that the Delphi hourly retirees will soon be in the same boat as the Delphi salary retirees in regards to the health benefits as the VEBA plan will simply be a lost cause for lack of funding. As far as the pensions are concerned, I think that virtually all pension plans as well as the FBGC will be busted by 2011. It's not a pretty story but then again I did not write the book.

I started working for GM in 72 at Harrison Radiator,then they changed over to Delphi that was there biggest mistake. But I can remember the salaried people would always laugh at us when we went on strike. They would always distance themselves from us because they thought they where above us in some way. They would make fun of the UAW. But I don't like to see anyone loose there pensions.

In case you didn't notice, we just took America back from that gang of liars and incompetents. The choice we had was clear and the American people spoke. It must really burn you racist air soles to see what happened.

The Goose was cooked by management with there poor product line not the UAW. You see most of these comments people are saying GM isen't makeing good designed cars.